Comments on: Questions about Schubert’s Ave Maria for Wedding http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/ Hong Kong - Seattle - Los Angeles Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:22:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Devin Burton http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-32075 Devin Burton Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:56:14 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-32075 Where can I Find a recording of Ave Maria in A flat major in Latin... I've look all over the web. Thanks! Where can I Find a recording of Ave Maria in A flat major in Latin… I’ve look all over the web. Thanks!

]]> By: askland http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5809 askland Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:51:35 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5809 Good info to know, thanks all - I know many people will find your posts helpful. And yes, tenors are usually hard to find for church choirs! Recruitment for church choir tenors can get pretty hardcore sometimes, like a military recruiter. :) Good info to know, thanks all - I know many people will find your posts helpful. And yes, tenors are usually hard to find for church choirs! Recruitment for church choir tenors can get pretty hardcore sometimes, like a military recruiter. :)

]]> By: Tony http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5790 Tony Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:42:52 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5790 Bob H. Thanks for the info, very informative indeed. Last weekend my fiancee and I met with the music coordinators at our parish, and they were fine with me doing the Ave during the mass. In fact, after they had me sing it (to find my key, C major) I was recruited for the choir which is in desperate need of tenors. Bob H. Thanks for the info, very informative indeed. Last weekend my fiancee and I met with the music coordinators at our parish, and they were fine with me doing the Ave during the mass. In fact, after they had me sing it (to find my key, C major) I was recruited for the choir which is in desperate need of tenors.

]]> By: Home » Blog Archive » Ave Maria lyrics - Franz Schubert http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5760 Home » Blog Archive » Ave Maria lyrics - Franz Schubert Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:39:24 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5760 [...] UPDATE 02/07 - Have questions about playing the Ave Maria during a Catholic wedding, church service or Mass? Read more info about Ave Maria in Catholic Mass and church services. [...] [...] UPDATE 02/07 - Have questions about playing the Ave Maria during a Catholic wedding, church service or Mass? Read more info about Ave Maria in Catholic Mass and church services. [...]

]]> By: askland http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5758 askland Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:37:35 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5758 Thank you Bob H. - This information is very helpful! The detailed info is much appreciated. Thank you Bob H. - This information is very helpful! The detailed info is much appreciated.

]]> By: Home » Blog Archive » Ave Maria Song In Catholic Church Services http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5757 Home » Blog Archive » Ave Maria Song In Catholic Church Services Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:35:02 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5757 [...] You can read their comments on my original Ave Maria post. This post was specifically about Schubert’s original Ave Maria and the subsequent Latin lyrics that were transposed upon it for use in sacred settings. Read the Ave Maria Catholic perspective by clicking here. [...] [...] You can read their comments on my original Ave Maria post. This post was specifically about Schubert’s original Ave Maria and the subsequent Latin lyrics that were transposed upon it for use in sacred settings. Read the Ave Maria Catholic perspective by clicking here. [...]

]]> By: Bob H. http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5754 Bob H. Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:59:20 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-5754 I was just writing a note to my cousin who is getting married in a few months about this specific topic. I am Catholic, which I assume you are from the brief description of the tribute of flowers to the Virgin. There are several versions of the Ave Maria used in liturgical contexts. The Schubert piece is lovely, as is the Bach-Gounod version. These are the two best known (I believe), although many exist. At our wedding we used a special Ave that was written for a children's choir I lead. In Catholic Ceremonies, it is perfectly acceptable to have a male voice sing the Ave. This works best with a 1st or 2nd Tenor. The tiny sticking point with the Catholic mass (the liturgy) and the Ave is that during the mass all the prayers are directed to the Father (through Christ). During the Canon of the Mass you will hear that we join our voices with the Saints (and then several are named), but every prayer is directed to the Father. Why do I mention this? Well, there is tension within the liturgical community as to whether the Ave is appropriate during the celebration of the mass. Sure, the words are taken directly from the Bible [It was the Archangel Gabriel that said, "Hail Mary! Full of Grace! The Lord is with you." -- the words may be slightly different depending on the original source and the translation used.] However, the request is directed TO Mary: "Pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death." [We are asking Mary, in essence, to tap her son on the shoulder and say something like, "Hey listen, Jesus. There's this guy, who may not have always done the right thing -- but he was a very good man, and I think we should let him in". After all, who could refuse such a request from his own mother?] However, the Ave Maria is usually the one common exception to the above comment that all prayers during a mass are directed to the Father. The symbolism is immense: The bride is placing the roses at the feet of The Virgin and asking that Mary pray that the new bride may follow Mary's example and be a good mother and wife. Ok, so what does all this mean? It means you need to ask your liturgical coordinator (usually the music director at the Parish) whether it is OK to sing the Ave during the mass. Even the really strict ones usually agree. If not, they may request the Ave be sung before or after the mass (the flowers can be placed, and the Ave sung, immediately after the priest says, "The mass is ended, go in peace." At that point, the mass is technically complete). My background: I have been the lead cantor at 3 churches (I moved around the country for work), have lead choirs and been a choir member for 20 plus years. I have also studied liturgy off and on, although this was definitely on a part-time basis (as I do Program and Project Management for a living). HTH I was just writing a note to my cousin who is getting married in a few months about this specific topic. I am Catholic, which I assume you are from the brief description of the tribute of flowers to the Virgin.

There are several versions of the Ave Maria used in liturgical contexts. The Schubert piece is lovely, as is the Bach-Gounod version. These are the two best known (I believe), although many exist. At our wedding we used a special Ave that was written for a children’s choir I lead. In Catholic Ceremonies, it is perfectly acceptable to have a male voice sing the Ave. This works best with a 1st or 2nd Tenor.

The tiny sticking point with the Catholic mass (the liturgy) and the Ave is that during the mass all the prayers are directed to the Father (through Christ). During the Canon of the Mass you will hear that we join our voices with the Saints (and then several are named), but every prayer is directed to the Father.

Why do I mention this? Well, there is tension within the liturgical community as to whether the Ave is appropriate during the celebration of the mass. Sure, the words are taken directly from the Bible [It was the Archangel Gabriel that said, "Hail Mary! Full of Grace! The Lord is with you." -- the words may be slightly different depending on the original source and the translation used.] However, the request is directed TO Mary: “Pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.” [We are asking Mary, in essence, to tap her son on the shoulder and say something like, "Hey listen, Jesus. There's this guy, who may not have always done the right thing -- but he was a very good man, and I think we should let him in". After all, who could refuse such a request from his own mother?]

However, the Ave Maria is usually the one common exception to the above comment that all prayers during a mass are directed to the Father. The symbolism is immense: The bride is placing the roses at the feet of The Virgin and asking that Mary pray that the new bride may follow Mary’s example and be a good mother and wife.

Ok, so what does all this mean? It means you need to ask your liturgical coordinator (usually the music director at the Parish) whether it is OK to sing the Ave during the mass. Even the really strict ones usually agree. If not, they may request the Ave be sung before or after the mass (the flowers can be placed, and the Ave sung, immediately after the priest says, “The mass is ended, go in peace.” At that point, the mass is technically complete).

My background: I have been the lead cantor at 3 churches (I moved around the country for work), have lead choirs and been a choir member for 20 plus years. I have also studied liturgy off and on, although this was definitely on a part-time basis (as I do Program and Project Management for a living).

HTH

]]> By: askland http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-4724 askland Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:59:46 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-4724 The highest note of the piece is a major sixth from the root of the key. So in the A flat major Baritone key the high note is an F (The note is just touched on lightly from an Eb). So for tenor it could be in key of C (high note A) up to Eb (high note is high C). The highest note of the piece is a major sixth from the root of the key. So in the A flat major Baritone key the high note is an F (The note is just touched on lightly from an Eb). So for tenor it could be in key of C (high note A) up to Eb (high note is high C).

]]> By: Tony http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-4723 Tony Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:56:20 +0000 http://www.conradaskland.com/blog/2007/01/questions-about-schuberts-ave-maria-for-wedding/#comment-4723 Wow, thanks for the quick reply! So if the common baritone key is A flat major, what would the common tenor (as I am, or at least used to be back in my choir days) key be? Wow, thanks for the quick reply! So if the common baritone key is A flat major, what would the common tenor (as I am, or at least used to be back in my choir days) key be?

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