Former Students of Ramtha Website
David McCarthy is a former student of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment and a friend of mine. He has helped create and launch a website so former Ramtha students can share their experiences. The website is located at http://www.enlightenmefree.com. This is a website primarily for ex-Ramtha students, family and those that have questions.
Ramtha, aka JZ Knight, was featured in the movie “What The Bleep” and is a reputed 35,000 year old channeled spirit from Atlantis. Many people have followed her teachings and attended seminars at her compound in Yelm, WA.
How does an intelligent and studied person end up in an organization like this? That is part of what David McCarthy wants to shed light on. You can also find a lot of skeptic articles about Ramtha at one of my favorite websites: The James Randi Educational Foundation.
David has gone through a lot to unravel the web weaved while in Ramtha and I applaude him for his courage and dedication to this effort. In an age where it’s so popular to have an open mind, it’s good to remember the mind should not be SO open that the brain falls out.
When you get your mind back it’s a wonderful thing. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, especially on pseudo-science.
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Getting Sprung from the Snare
Leaving a group such as this is usually not easy. Why? Because there are “costs” associated with leaving. One can look at themselves and evaluate the mental, emotional, physical and spiritual costs of leaving. They face issues such as these and before actual leaving, a person may cling to the group and play mind games with themselves (defense mechanisms) to keep themselves from having to deal with the effects of leaving. One may justify behaviors to themselves to stay in the group, though they know they need to get out. It’s necessary to face the emotional cost of exiting such a group, such as leaving friends, who will probably abandon you. Facing the psychological and emotional issues of leaving; shame, depression, isolation, sadness, guilt, anger, abandonment, betrayal, confusion, lost self-esteem. Physically, it’s not unheard of for people to delay leaving a group even when they know it’s over, because of the emotional impact of moving on.
* “People leave cults for a variety of reasons. After becoming aware of hypocrisy and/or corruption within the group, converts who have maintained an element of independence and some connection with their old values may simply walk out disillusioned. Other members may leave because they have become weary of a routine of proselytizing and fund-raising. Sometimes even the most dedicated members may feel so inadequate in the face of the cult’s demands that they walk away, not because they have stopped believing, but because they feel like abject failures. Still others may renounce the cult after reconnecting to old values, goals, interests, or relationships, resulting from visits with parents, talks with ex-members, or counseling.
Persons who consider leaving a group such as this, are usually pressured to stay. Some ex-members say that they spent months, even years, trying to garner the strength to walk out. Some felt so intimidated that they departed secretly.
Although most group members eventually walk out on their own, parental alarm should not be discounted. First, many, if not most, who leave cults on their own are psychologically harmed, often in ways which they do not understand. Second, some cultists never leave, and some of these are severely harmed. And third, there is no way to predict who will leave, who won’t leave, or who will be harmed.”
http://www.rickross.com/reference/singer/singer7.html
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RECOVERY & MOVING ON
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
–From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
After a person has left a group they go through their personal recovery process. This process includes healing from emotional, psychological, spiritual, and perhaps physical trauma. While each person’s story is somewhat different there are phases that people go through while moving on. Ex-group members may find help in talking to others, educating themselves about similar types of groups, and eventually re-adapting to society. The following information is a summary by Margaret Thaler Singer about group recovery processes. Gift yourself with the time it takes to read through all of this material.
“Post-Cult After Effects
Margaret Thaler Singer, Ph.D.
excerpted from the website: http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studyrecovery/study_trauma.htm
After exiting a cult, an individual may experience a period of intense and often conflicting emotions. She or he may feel relief to be out of the group, but also may feel grief over the loss of positive elements in the cult, such as friendships, a sense of belonging or the feeling of personal worth generated by the group’s stated ideals or mission. The emotional upheaval of the period is often characterized by “post-cult trauma syndrome”:
spontaneous crying
sense of loss
depression & suicidal thoughts
fear that not obeying the cult’s wishes will result in God’s wrath or loss of salvation
alienation from family, friends
sense of isolation, loneliness due to being surrounded by people who have no basis for understanding cult life
fear of evil spirits taking over one’s life outside the cult
scrupulosity, excessive rigidity about rules of minor importance
panic disproportionate to one’s circumstances
fear of going insane
confusion about right and wrong
sexual conflicts
unwarranted guilt
The period of exiting from a cult is usually a traumatic experience and, like any great change in a person’s life, involves passing through stages of accommodation to the change:
Disbelief/denial: “This can’t be happening. It couldn’t have been that bad.”
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January 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 am
This article is highly biased. The assumption is that this is a cult which it is not. I’ve been to Ramtha classes and am not a current student. I know many people who do attend classes. I believe your article is way off the mark. How does an intelligent and studied person end up writing an article like this?
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January 3rd, 2007 at 3:50 pm
If it is biased then that should be shown. I was surprised to see a comment so fast on this article. To my knowledge it has not yet been crawled by Google. How did you find it?
January 10th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Guess you can’t convince something to someone, whose job it is not to be convinced. I attended that school before. I can assure you it is not a cult. They tell you if you don’t want to be there to leave. No one forces you to do anything, nor do they psychologically guilt you into doing anything.
February 2nd, 2007 at 5:05 am
This is ll pretty wild because I have just started reading about ramtha,and my sister in law went to her school and she swears its real, and they havent been able to prove her to be faking, so now what?I’am Indian and I can tell you that we are very very spiritual people, and have totally different outlook on life, than the other nationalitys of this earth, i mean look where we are now, the earth is about destroyed…whats up with that??people have to be open minded, and not stuck in what “SOCIETY” says is right and wrong, cuz you never really know now do ya?so live and let live, and do your part to help this messed up place we call home, instead of judging.
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pm
http://www.Randi.org
March 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Urgh. Quoting Dawkins says it all. Sounds like you have a hard time thinking for yourself.
March 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
I think most people are looking for somethng to give their power away to. Ramtha teaches people not to do this. Most don’t listen. And so you have people doing what people do best, creating dogma and drama where there is none. Anyone who actually listens to Ramtha will hear him say that does not wish to be followed, nor does he wish to be worshipped. Yikes, it’s amazing what people invent to justify staying asleep.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Hmmm….People often believe what works for them. When it no longer works for them, they change thier minds, and move onto the next thing. I like the idea of keeping an open mind. What works and makes sense to me might sound like utter rubbish to someone else. It is our right as human beings to believe how we wish, and act or not act on it. As for Ramtha, I don’t know, and I’m okay with that. I like the idea of creating my own reality, that I am not seperate from God, that I am not something flawed and wrong. But the 35,000 year old Lemurian warrior???That stretches credibility a tad.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Maybe part of having an ‘open mind’ is realizing that we don’t know what we don’t know, and that our perspective is limited. So, for Ram to be what he claims may simply be out of our ‘box’. Why do we always feel we have to pass a judgement on things? Good/bad. Real/not real. Maybe it doesn’t matter in the end. But when you contemplate the Presence in yourself and feel it, then go further and experience an unconditional self-love, when you stop giving your power away and claim it as your birthright, the details lose meaning. When you step out of fear into joy, the world changes in the snap of a finger. Credibility, proof, evidence…you won’t need it anymore when you meet yourself full on.
April 28th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Pure psychobabble Susan. Get outa your head and get a Life.
May 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 am
I’ve been to a few of the Ramtha classes before. It is all what a person makes of it. It is not a cult unless you make it one. I’ve seen people take these beautiful teachings and make a religion out of it and then get upset and disillusioned at some point and lash out. That’s what this person is doing here.
It’s just a philosophy pure and simple, take from it what you will. I was never forced to do anything or believe anything I didn’t want to.
May 3rd, 2007 at 10:45 am
Take notice that will all the “skeptic” website, specific examples are never cited. It is all very general and mostly just the defiiniton of the word cult.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:33 am
I have read the book years ago and I say it follows along some of the ideas I have had in my own life but to actually be in the same with
others after so many telling me that I have been in the wrong groups or hanging with the worng people for so long I feel that every damn group has had its coming apart for a long time…
I dont care to belong with a group though I do need some people in my life as long as they are willing to be more than a group with one thing in mind… Does having a lot of people around you mean that I am involved with a cult?
and what happens if I am not taken to be a part of the group even though I feel its what I think to though some of the things are off in my thinkings… is it possiable that there is a missing linkage to some of the facts????
Ramtha you are rightfully right in most of your thoughts as for the rest man why does life have to be so hard to so many of us….. I wonder about the voices I hear if its a mixed of Micheal and Ramtha Elders or more than that…. mayhaps from the beyond or maybe its Gee waves to the others side of a nother life forming again……….so far we have yet to actually see an out come out of all the CULTS….is my own family to many or arre we just the right size to be a cult from here to there…. wow radios sure do need to be cut down……..
June 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pm
This about says it all about these types of cults
Copyrighted Spirit
VIENNA — A medium and author has won the sole right to “contact” a 30,000-year-old spirit.
Judy Z. Knight, an American, claims to have close spiritual ties with Ramtha, who she says has relayed messages to her since 1978.
But in September 1992, she claims, her psychic channel became ”disturbed” by Judith Ravell of Berlin, who says she started contacting Ramtha about that time.
The legal battle has been dragged through Austria’s courts for three years.
The country’s supreme court has awarded copyright to Knight and ordered Ravell to drop her claim to be in contact with Ramtha. Ravell has held several seminars and festivals in Salzburg at which she has passed on what she claims to be the spirit’s messages.
Ramtha, said to be the leader of the sunken continent of Atlantis, is much sought after in esoteric circles in Europe and the United States. Knight secured her U.S. copyright in the late 1970s after claiming that he told her she was the only medium with right of access to him.
The court told Ravell that her psychic interruption over the past five years had left Knight “hanging in spiritual limbo,” and it ordered Ravell to pay $800 in damages. Knight’s lawyers are looking for thousands more. Ramtha was unavailable for comment.
Medium wins channeling right, The Guardian (England), June, 1997
August 11th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
This article is outrageous and completely one sided. The students or ex-students who experience such things have created such experiences in their own mind to be a victim to their life for attention. These people are chemically addicted to the emotions of pain and suffering.
It is a shame to see such people put a burden upon themselves whenever there is such potential, possibility, and opportunity. With every way of life someone studies and applies in their life there are ups and downs, ditches and bridges. If you truly understood quantum physics and how the brain operates none of this would be a problem.
You are already God, God is closer than your breathe and is every atom and cell within your body. God is the flower that blooms in the middle of the darkest night. God is everything that is and will be. God isn’t some crazy on a throne who judges the whole of humanity to heaven or hell. That is what the powers that be desire you to believe, so that you aren’t free, so that you will create a life of a sinner and becoming a victim to everything in your life.
That is more disillusioned then being taught by a 35,000 year teacher.
Sincerely,
-Michael
August 11th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
My understanding of Quantum Physics is limited, but my psychic powers seem to have spiked because I sense you live within the gravitational pull of Yelm, WA.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:22 am
I need to get my sister to realize before she goes broke - to get the hell away from a ex teacher of Ramtha…He is in NYC and he is really screwing up alot of students heads. -Please leave me a contact e-mail address David Mccarthy - this is urgent. post a message to me on how to contact you via e-mail
September 5th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Need to speak with David Macarthy - please provide your e-mail address.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
David can be contacted on his website at http://www.enlightenmefree.com
September 10th, 2007 at 4:09 am
Just go to http://www.enlightenmefree.com to hear what ex students are saying - I am not a victim and have never claimed to be so I don’t know what you are talking about Micheal - you must be a teacher at the school defending it as such, are you the person who *edited*
I dont believe that god is sitiing on a throne judging people, I also don’t believe that a 35,000 year old “entity” is being channelled either and knows everything, I also don’t believe this so claimed 35,000 year old spirit taught Jesus everything he knew - let’s see some miracles being performed by this “being” which to my knowledge so one has ever seen - wake up from your own insanity…………..