Thank you!

“…I attended that school before. I can assure you it is not a cult. They tell you if you don’t want to be there to leave. No one forces you to do anything, nor do they psychologically guilt you into doing anything.”

To say that they tell you if you don’t want to be there you can leave is a bit ludicrous. They tell you that after you are already there. Many travel more then halfway around the globe to get there, and have already paid their money. Note: they don’t tell you you can leave AND get your money back!

They have many requirements, while that may not be holding you down on the ground making you stay, it certainly adds to the influence to do so. Please find below (taken out of context, the full document is at the link below) just one small sample of how one is directed to do as they are told.

Ranch Rules
And WINE CEREMONY POLICIES
• Nonparticipation: All students are expected to participate fully in the disciplines for their group as set out by Ramtha.
• Wine Drinking: You may only drink wine when Ramtha toasts. Do not drink in between Ramtha’s toasts. Do not try and “catch-up” if you were out of your seat at the time of a toast.

http://www.enlightenmefree.com......php?t=384

Cathy says:

“This is ll pretty wild because I have just started reading about ramtha,and my sister in law went to her school and she swears its real, and they havent been able to prove her to be faking, so now what?I’am Indian and I can tell you that we are very very spiritual people, and have totally different outlook on life, than the other nationalitys of this earth, i mean look where we are now, the earth is about destroyed…whats up with that??people have to be open minded, and not stuck in what “SOCIETY” says is right and wrong, cuz you never really know now do ya?…”

No offense meant, but just because your sister says so does not make it so. JZ has only had one group of “scientists” there to do tests. All of them will admit that their study had nothing to do with proving or disproving her veracity. In fact, their test showed that of the students tested they rated more then 3 times the average norm in being able to be brought to states common in hypnosis. JZ scored the highest of the bunch. For the record she has never allowed anyone in to see if she was faking or not.

Anyway, what sort of comment is …”not stuck in what “”society”" says is right or wrong”"? Our society here in the US is one of the more diverse in the world there are many disagreements on whats right and wrong. I.E. right to life, death penalty, flag burning, paying taxes etc.

John (2nd) says:

“…I’ve seen people take these beautiful teachings and make a religion out of it and then get upset and disillusioned at some point and lash out. That’s what this person is doing here…”

Below, find a portion of JZ Knights/ramtha’s attorney in response to a complaint filed with the Attorney General in Washington state. Is he lashing out and disillusioned?? The full document can be viewed at:

http://www.enlightenmefree.com.....c.php?t=40

“…As a threshold matter, it is my informed opinion that Ms. Knight’s School, at
which the Teachings of Ramtha are presented, is religious in nature and hence
beyond the regulatory authority of the Attorney General. Although Ms. Knight
does not represent that the School is an established religion, the body of
Teachings developed through her over the last several decades and regularly
presented at the School represent, collectively, a spiritual belief system related
to man’s place in the universe and his relationship with God. As such, I believe
the advocacy of the Teachings are clearly protected by Article 1, S 1 1 of
the Washington State Constitution, …”

John G says:

“Take notice that will all the “skeptic” website, specific examples are never cited. It is all very general and mostly just the defiiniton of the word cult.”

John, take notice that I have not used the word cult so far and also notice that the specifics i have cited have come from the horses mouth so to speak.

Michael says:

“God isn’t some crazy on a throne who judges the whole of humanity to heaven or hell. That is what the powers that be desire you to believe, so that you aren’t free, so that you will create a life of a sinner and becoming a victim to everything in your life”.

Michael, Michael,

You will really have to do a bit better the just parrot what is in the RSE “bible” the White Book (see 3rd line from the bottom pg.55)

In addition, speaking of thrones….

http://www.ramtha.com/images/m.....tha-01.jpg

Just because this “god” wears blue jeans and replaces heaven and hell with the alternatives of being in “social conciousness” or “knowingness”, etc she/he/it still dictates from her/his/its throne!!! IT be so!

There you go.
Methinks all of you have seemed to have fallen on your own petard!

I dont believe that god is sitiing on a throne judging people, I also don’t believe that a 35,000 year old “entity” is being channelled either and knows everything, I also don’t believe this so claimed 35,000 year old spirit taught Jesus everything he knew - let’s see some miracles being performed by this “being” which to my knowledge so one has ever seen - wake up from your own insanity…………..

It is a shame to see such people put a burden upon themselves whenever there is such potential, possibility, and opportunity. With every way of life someone studies and applies in their life there are ups and downs, ditches and bridges. If you truly understood quantum physics and how the brain operates none of this would be a problem.

You are already God, God is closer than your breathe and is every atom and cell within your body. God is the flower that blooms in the middle of the darkest night. God is everything that is and will be. God isn’t some crazy on a throne who judges the whole of humanity to heaven or hell. That is what the powers that be desire you to believe, so that you aren’t free, so that you will create a life of a sinner and becoming a victim to everything in your life.

That is more disillusioned then being taught by a 35,000 year teacher.

Sincerely,

-Michael

Copyrighted Spirit

VIENNA — A medium and author has won the sole right to “contact” a 30,000-year-old spirit.

Judy Z. Knight, an American, claims to have close spiritual ties with Ramtha, who she says has relayed messages to her since 1978.

But in September 1992, she claims, her psychic channel became ”disturbed” by Judith Ravell of Berlin, who says she started contacting Ramtha about that time.

The legal battle has been dragged through Austria’s courts for three years.

The country’s supreme court has awarded copyright to Knight and ordered Ravell to drop her claim to be in contact with Ramtha. Ravell has held several seminars and festivals in Salzburg at which she has passed on what she claims to be the spirit’s messages.

Ramtha, said to be the leader of the sunken continent of Atlantis, is much sought after in esoteric circles in Europe and the United States. Knight secured her U.S. copyright in the late 1970s after claiming that he told her she was the only medium with right of access to him.

The court told Ravell that her psychic interruption over the past five years had left Knight “hanging in spiritual limbo,” and it ordered Ravell to pay $800 in damages. Knight’s lawyers are looking for thousands more. Ramtha was unavailable for comment.
Medium wins channeling right, The Guardian (England), June, 1997